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Marian Liautaud's avatar

This is the first piece I've read of yours (thanks, @alexdobrenko, for the recommendation). I laughed out loud several times. Wouldn't change a thing! Curious what Ben thought about it though. I would listen to your audio stuff. Thanks for such a great read!

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Alex! I LOVED this! I’m so happy that you presented both versions here, but I’m not sure if I know how to answer your questions. Here’s why: I’m grappling with audio and text too. From a craft perspective I really learned a lot by listening to the audio version and reading. But maybe that’s too inside baseball, meaning most of your fans just want your amazing stories, not the craft stuff. Trying to put my fan hat on (and I am a fan!) I think I gravitated to the audio version more. That could be because I listen to more books than I read, or it could be that hearing David’s stories was how he really won me over. Or it could be that these stories are meant to be told. I don’t know. But I guess I lean audio. Of course, I’d buy the book too! Shit, this probably isn’t helpful, is it?

On the length question, I tend to think shorter is better. I go long sometimes, but I’m always asking, can I get out earlier? I’ll say this, from the audio version I could tell the crowd was with you, so that version was the right length for that format. But yeah, TikTok is ruining us.

The framing device. I think you need to do both. Sometimes it’s about you and that work is going to take us to these more vulnerable places. I love those pieces! But I don’t know if that’s sustainable for you as a human being. Like, I know it’s not sustainable for me. So I do this too: use myself as a kind of framing device. The funny thing is, I don’t think my readers really notice. By way of example: when I hear a reader tell me I lead a fascinating life, they inevitably cite a story where I’m just a framing device for a chatty Lyft driver or an oddball barista. Thing is, it’s always about you with these kinds of stories even when it isn’t about you. We fall in love with the voice, the perspective, and the vulnerable person at the center of some of the stories, and ultimately, we can’t pull these things apart, and we really don’t want to. Does that make sense?

Again, I just loved all of this! Great job!

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